One note: while Jewish anti-Zionists are (still) relatively small, their numbers are not the point. Rather, it is their "conversion," so to speak, to an profoundly anti-Judaism (meaning devoid of the land, which is central to the Jewish narrative and practice) and profoundly anti-Jewish, in that it holds Jews/Israel to a different standard than the rest of the world. Even if 90% of the Jews were anti-Zionist, it would not change those facts. It would simply mean that anti-Jewish tropes had been successful even within the Jewish community itself.
For me, that means that explaining both those points: how Jews are and have always been connected to the land and how, by delegitimizing, demonizing, and using double standards, anti-Zionism is profoundly antisemitic. Regardless of numbers.
Very good points, Patricia. Yes, I could have included that fact and I will make a note to write about that specifically in future! Thank you so much for reading and for taking the time to write.
Especially when the same people who delegitimize Israel have no such feelings about Pakistan - a country created at the same time and under very similar circumstances to be a homeland for Indian Muslims.
great analogy! an' the speciMENS they bring out as their talkin' heads ePITomizin' shinin' examples of antizionism are usually jaw droppin'ly FREAKY! Have ye ever seen the Neturai Karta dudes? Weeeeird sect of Chasids (take a baaaath guys!) that MARCH for PALESTINE--even the non-zionist Satmars reject 'em. These NKs say they want the IDF murdered b/c "Israel not legit" and THEY are the "moral ones." OY. It's like trottin' out out one of those hairless cats that have to be kept in tea cozies b/c they're freeze an' have weird inbred auto-immune disorders an' tellin' folks (who CLEARLY don't know cats) that THIS is the "best" example of cat-hood 'er...ah, cattiness. not! Some of the anti-zio SJWs look like extras in a Children of the Damned Goes Punk circa 1990s low budgie straight-to-viddeyo production. I'll admit a few (Blumenthal, Greenwald) look presentable and are not incoherent like the NK gang an' the SJWs (which river? which sea? which bld will they throw me off?)--but I cannot (CANNOT) fathom how bringin' up the most outlier weirdos as anti-zionist "shinin' examples" makes any sense or "proves" that there are "good joos" (If these NKs an' purple-haired jooish SJW's in keffiyehs-from-chynnna are shinin' examples of "good joos" I'd say that would trigger MORE anti-semitism but whadda I know?)
I've been spared seein' the weirdo rhetoric of "it's okay to be gay if yer celibate" by my teen daughter just chimed in "oh yeah, ma, that's a THING." Whaaat? I would hate ta see the "spokes people" of this moovemint...I guess there are some? I imagine some kinda version of joo-hater Nick Fuentes (oh c'mon Mary, really?! he may not be gettin' any but he's as straight as an onion ring...) I'll hold my breath fer the "Saltpeter Sam" dolls that come with free Holy Water!
I am a Jew living in the United States and I strongly affirm Israel's right to exist, even if I don't always agree with the politics or support the current administration. (This is that clear line you talk about between criticizing Israeli policy and holding anti-Zionist beliefs.)
I do know some Jews (indeed, a minority) who do not support the State of Israel, but not because they don't believe in Jewish self-determination. Rather, they don't support it because of how it came to be—that it was "given" by humans (British) to other humans (Jews). What they want instead is for the land to be given by G-D to the Jews, by divine decree.
They're no less attached to the land; one might argue that they're possibly more attached. They just see a divine declaration far more binding than a human one.
Tell those Jews they are talking crap. A) it was divinely proclaimed already see Bible, B) God Himself could not move Joshua’s legs to cross the Jordan, he had to take the steps C) the Brits and UN ‘gave’ us nothing. Sure there were proclamations, but there were just as many thwartings. We had to fight for every inch of the modern state and we won against imposible odds.
‘Anti-Zionists’ are even more morally crippled than the Klan. How? The white hoods never said black people had no business living in Africa, just no business living in America. In fact the Klan wanted them all to go back to their ‘real home’ so that Dixie would be purified. Today’s Jew haters/pro Palestinians don’t want Jews anywhere. Not in New Jersey. Not in Tel Aviv. Or in Hebron. Not in London. No hate group is more depraved, or more coddled.
Great Points
Seeing the title of this post I feared there was actually an Incels for Palestine movement!
Oh there is! It’s called Students for Justice in Palestine. LOL
Thanks for this post.
One note: while Jewish anti-Zionists are (still) relatively small, their numbers are not the point. Rather, it is their "conversion," so to speak, to an profoundly anti-Judaism (meaning devoid of the land, which is central to the Jewish narrative and practice) and profoundly anti-Jewish, in that it holds Jews/Israel to a different standard than the rest of the world. Even if 90% of the Jews were anti-Zionist, it would not change those facts. It would simply mean that anti-Jewish tropes had been successful even within the Jewish community itself.
For me, that means that explaining both those points: how Jews are and have always been connected to the land and how, by delegitimizing, demonizing, and using double standards, anti-Zionism is profoundly antisemitic. Regardless of numbers.
Very good points, Patricia. Yes, I could have included that fact and I will make a note to write about that specifically in future! Thank you so much for reading and for taking the time to write.
Especially when the same people who delegitimize Israel have no such feelings about Pakistan - a country created at the same time and under very similar circumstances to be a homeland for Indian Muslims.
great analogy! an' the speciMENS they bring out as their talkin' heads ePITomizin' shinin' examples of antizionism are usually jaw droppin'ly FREAKY! Have ye ever seen the Neturai Karta dudes? Weeeeird sect of Chasids (take a baaaath guys!) that MARCH for PALESTINE--even the non-zionist Satmars reject 'em. These NKs say they want the IDF murdered b/c "Israel not legit" and THEY are the "moral ones." OY. It's like trottin' out out one of those hairless cats that have to be kept in tea cozies b/c they're freeze an' have weird inbred auto-immune disorders an' tellin' folks (who CLEARLY don't know cats) that THIS is the "best" example of cat-hood 'er...ah, cattiness. not! Some of the anti-zio SJWs look like extras in a Children of the Damned Goes Punk circa 1990s low budgie straight-to-viddeyo production. I'll admit a few (Blumenthal, Greenwald) look presentable and are not incoherent like the NK gang an' the SJWs (which river? which sea? which bld will they throw me off?)--but I cannot (CANNOT) fathom how bringin' up the most outlier weirdos as anti-zionist "shinin' examples" makes any sense or "proves" that there are "good joos" (If these NKs an' purple-haired jooish SJW's in keffiyehs-from-chynnna are shinin' examples of "good joos" I'd say that would trigger MORE anti-semitism but whadda I know?)
I've been spared seein' the weirdo rhetoric of "it's okay to be gay if yer celibate" by my teen daughter just chimed in "oh yeah, ma, that's a THING." Whaaat? I would hate ta see the "spokes people" of this moovemint...I guess there are some? I imagine some kinda version of joo-hater Nick Fuentes (oh c'mon Mary, really?! he may not be gettin' any but he's as straight as an onion ring...) I'll hold my breath fer the "Saltpeter Sam" dolls that come with free Holy Water!
I am a Jew living in the United States and I strongly affirm Israel's right to exist, even if I don't always agree with the politics or support the current administration. (This is that clear line you talk about between criticizing Israeli policy and holding anti-Zionist beliefs.)
I do know some Jews (indeed, a minority) who do not support the State of Israel, but not because they don't believe in Jewish self-determination. Rather, they don't support it because of how it came to be—that it was "given" by humans (British) to other humans (Jews). What they want instead is for the land to be given by G-D to the Jews, by divine decree.
They're no less attached to the land; one might argue that they're possibly more attached. They just see a divine declaration far more binding than a human one.
Tell those Jews they are talking crap. A) it was divinely proclaimed already see Bible, B) God Himself could not move Joshua’s legs to cross the Jordan, he had to take the steps C) the Brits and UN ‘gave’ us nothing. Sure there were proclamations, but there were just as many thwartings. We had to fight for every inch of the modern state and we won against imposible odds.
‘Anti-Zionists’ are even more morally crippled than the Klan. How? The white hoods never said black people had no business living in Africa, just no business living in America. In fact the Klan wanted them all to go back to their ‘real home’ so that Dixie would be purified. Today’s Jew haters/pro Palestinians don’t want Jews anywhere. Not in New Jersey. Not in Tel Aviv. Or in Hebron. Not in London. No hate group is more depraved, or more coddled.
I like your analogy. For another humorous take, look at this short clip from Sponder. https://m.youtube.com/shorts/-jpmNdF7ICA
Somebody get this Cadillac of men laid, well and often
Am Israel Chai