Pat, every point you so clearly, methodically express here is verifiable by mountains of historical documentation. Yet, it appears that most people, particularly the younger generations, are satisfied to internalize Palestinian propaganda without question or independent inquiry. I suppose it's easier to be mindless, or to support one's own antisemitic confirmation bias, or both.
We have a massive problem with the state of education in the West, generally. Even as social media have explosively magnified the problem of differentiating fact from AI-fueled indoctrination, schools have retreated from teaching students to how to think critically and to seek truth. Instead, the so-called Progressive movement pushes feel-good, virtue-signaling narratives. These have found their apotheosis in the genocidal cry of "free Palestine, from the River to the Sea."
I don't know when Fan Favourite 15 was written, but I'd think it's noteworthy that Arab support for Hamas outside of the Palestinian territories during this war has been pretty much limited to Qatar and Iranian proxies -- Lebanese Hezbollah, the Houthis, Iraqi Hezbollah and whatever remains in Syria of the Assad regime's supporters. Doubtless none of the Sunni Arab states are happy to see the deaths and suffering of their fellow Muslim Arabs in Gaza, but Arab media that's not aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood or Iran have been pretty critical of Hamas's reckless disregard for the lives of the people it rules.
OK, someone has to say it. You are advocating rewarding the fake 'palestinians' for their murderous behavior. Sadly, doing so ignores the 900-pound gorilla in the room. They don't want peace and they want a state that is Judenrein and occupies the whole of Israel. They want the Jews DEAD. This is the truth and we all know it...why are you suggesting otherwise?
Yes, I know...the fake 'palestinians' have to be considered in whatever solution is achieved. Why is this Israel's problem to solve by carving itself in half and placing a population of murderous Jew-haters inside its flank? No, this is an ARAB problem...and the ARAB nations created the situation in the first place. They need to integrate this population into their own societies and somehow reeducate them concerning the utter lies about the so-called Nakbah that they've been fed since birth. Notice how NONE of the Arab nations will allow the fake 'palestinians' to grace their populations? Maybe they know something and don't want these feral killers in their midst, any more than Israel does.
Try again. Find a solution that doesn't present an existential threat to Israel.
I think the entire subtext of the piece -- and your problems with it -- are that Palestinians aren't read yfor peace. When they are, they will be rewarded with statehood. Until then, forget it. As I wrote here: https://pat604johnson.substack.com/p/its-simple-no-peace-no-palestine No peace? No Palestine.
Indeed they are not, and I think it will be several generations before they are. But how to accomplish this? They teach their children from infancy to hate Jews. The children have to be removed from the situation and raised elsewhere. And that won't happen, will it? So the hate will go on until...I don't know when.
I agree, except that there is no such thing as “Palestine” in the sense of a Palestinian people. They are mostly Arabs from Jordan and Egypt. The fatal error made by well-meaning Jews has been to buy into the fantasy of a Palestine cooked up by Arafat and the USSR.
Also, and especially since October 7, the two state solution should be dismissed out of hand. It has been demonstrated time and again that “Palestinians” couldn’t even run a prayer group in a mosque, never mind a state. What would such a state look like? At best, the one run by the PA, at worst, Gaza. Neither is free, democratic or safe, either for Jews or for its own citizens.
This notion of a two state solution .. it’s not going anywhere .. that ship sailed in 1947, also with Oslo and others.
In fact, it could be said the two state solution already exists. Jordan accounts for 78% of what was British Mandated Palestine.
It’s dead in the water .. the gazans had 20 years to do something with gaza which Israel vacated in 2005. Their leadership turned it into a terrorist dungeon.
The world needs to wake up to the fact that the two state solution option sailed years ago.
This was originally written before Trump's election, wasn't it? It needs to be updated to reflect Israel's bolder approach to the war. The two-state solution is buried in the exploded tunnels of Gaza. The only question remains is which countries are going to take in the Pals, from Gaza as well as from Judea and Samaria. Those territories will be annexed, and any Arab who doesn't like it, will be moved out. I hope that Qatar takes at least half.
Pat, every point you so clearly, methodically express here is verifiable by mountains of historical documentation. Yet, it appears that most people, particularly the younger generations, are satisfied to internalize Palestinian propaganda without question or independent inquiry. I suppose it's easier to be mindless, or to support one's own antisemitic confirmation bias, or both.
We have a massive problem with the state of education in the West, generally. Even as social media have explosively magnified the problem of differentiating fact from AI-fueled indoctrination, schools have retreated from teaching students to how to think critically and to seek truth. Instead, the so-called Progressive movement pushes feel-good, virtue-signaling narratives. These have found their apotheosis in the genocidal cry of "free Palestine, from the River to the Sea."
I don't know when Fan Favourite 15 was written, but I'd think it's noteworthy that Arab support for Hamas outside of the Palestinian territories during this war has been pretty much limited to Qatar and Iranian proxies -- Lebanese Hezbollah, the Houthis, Iraqi Hezbollah and whatever remains in Syria of the Assad regime's supporters. Doubtless none of the Sunni Arab states are happy to see the deaths and suffering of their fellow Muslim Arabs in Gaza, but Arab media that's not aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood or Iran have been pretty critical of Hamas's reckless disregard for the lives of the people it rules.
OK, someone has to say it. You are advocating rewarding the fake 'palestinians' for their murderous behavior. Sadly, doing so ignores the 900-pound gorilla in the room. They don't want peace and they want a state that is Judenrein and occupies the whole of Israel. They want the Jews DEAD. This is the truth and we all know it...why are you suggesting otherwise?
Yes, I know...the fake 'palestinians' have to be considered in whatever solution is achieved. Why is this Israel's problem to solve by carving itself in half and placing a population of murderous Jew-haters inside its flank? No, this is an ARAB problem...and the ARAB nations created the situation in the first place. They need to integrate this population into their own societies and somehow reeducate them concerning the utter lies about the so-called Nakbah that they've been fed since birth. Notice how NONE of the Arab nations will allow the fake 'palestinians' to grace their populations? Maybe they know something and don't want these feral killers in their midst, any more than Israel does.
Try again. Find a solution that doesn't present an existential threat to Israel.
I think the entire subtext of the piece -- and your problems with it -- are that Palestinians aren't read yfor peace. When they are, they will be rewarded with statehood. Until then, forget it. As I wrote here: https://pat604johnson.substack.com/p/its-simple-no-peace-no-palestine No peace? No Palestine.
Indeed they are not, and I think it will be several generations before they are. But how to accomplish this? They teach their children from infancy to hate Jews. The children have to be removed from the situation and raised elsewhere. And that won't happen, will it? So the hate will go on until...I don't know when.
I agree, except that there is no such thing as “Palestine” in the sense of a Palestinian people. They are mostly Arabs from Jordan and Egypt. The fatal error made by well-meaning Jews has been to buy into the fantasy of a Palestine cooked up by Arafat and the USSR.
Also, and especially since October 7, the two state solution should be dismissed out of hand. It has been demonstrated time and again that “Palestinians” couldn’t even run a prayer group in a mosque, never mind a state. What would such a state look like? At best, the one run by the PA, at worst, Gaza. Neither is free, democratic or safe, either for Jews or for its own citizens.
Thank you again Pat for your insight.
This notion of a two state solution .. it’s not going anywhere .. that ship sailed in 1947, also with Oslo and others.
In fact, it could be said the two state solution already exists. Jordan accounts for 78% of what was British Mandated Palestine.
It’s dead in the water .. the gazans had 20 years to do something with gaza which Israel vacated in 2005. Their leadership turned it into a terrorist dungeon.
The world needs to wake up to the fact that the two state solution option sailed years ago.
This was originally written before Trump's election, wasn't it? It needs to be updated to reflect Israel's bolder approach to the war. The two-state solution is buried in the exploded tunnels of Gaza. The only question remains is which countries are going to take in the Pals, from Gaza as well as from Judea and Samaria. Those territories will be annexed, and any Arab who doesn't like it, will be moved out. I hope that Qatar takes at least half.
You may or may not be correct. It's speculation. (Not that there's anything wrong with speculation.) But again, see the reference to: https://pat604johnson.substack.com/p/its-simple-no-peace-no-palestine